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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Xeron Silverblade
Originally by: Sapphrine
You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)
i'm sure i am ;-) but no, just want to go there for occational ratting. it's been some time since i last went there.. and lots of things changed since... that's why i'm asking ;-)
Being honest, I wouldn't recommend it. Providence is constantly raided by a lot of competent PvP groups. If you want ISK stick to L4 missions.
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Butter Dog
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Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.12 20:28:00 -
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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:
* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves
And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.12 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.
Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.
I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.
Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.
I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.
When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.
Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.
They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.
These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.
Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.
You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".
Why are talking to me as if BUM use pet alliances as meatshields? We have no pets and nor do we wish for any, we do our own dirty work. We support our snipers with point defence and dictors, not suicide gangs.
Anyway, here are the facts you seem oblivious to;
CVA blob their pets on the gate, depsite zero PvP skill, as nothing more than a delaying tactic when hostile forces jump though. Nothing wrong with that - it works for them. But don't pretend there is any glory in dying needlessly when a couple of dictors would do the job better and with less 'pet' casualties (but so long as they don't show on CVA's killboard I doubt they care).
Its all about participation. A lot of the CVA pets cannot fight their way out of a paper bag, but when mommy CVA ask them to participate they dutifully step in line. CVA are then presented with a load of poorly fitted Drakes, Caracals and Ravens which are of no use whatsoever other than cannon fodder.
But, despite the fact that the only support snipers needs is point defence and dictors, they choose to blob their pets on gates so the fire is directed at them rather than the more expensively fitted (and useful) CVA ships.
Don't pretend there is any glory in being a CVA pet. You're relegated to the status of an expendable slave, and treated accordingly.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Again you continue to refer to support as meatshields, be it your own or not. The point is flying so far above your head that it's become a danger to local aircraft.
These people do as they do for the greater good. Poorly fitted Drakes and Tech 1 fitted Ravens sounds like decent enough support material to me. Of course there is always going to be a superior support gang consisting of role specific T2 ships. Showing up in anything just shows they're there for CVA and willing to help no matter what.
Give me 20 poorly fitted but loyal pilots over 60 pilots like yourself. You who would mock those that would show up in a Raven. They could easily bring Tech 1 frigates but they don't. They're bringing the best they can field, they're doing the best they can given the situation and to the best of their ability.
You're a fool for not celebrating these pilots, an ignorant disrespectful pilot who has no business being in a fleet.
These pilots could leave at any time and find something else to do in EVE, perhaps join a different alliance, perhaps go to Empire, who knows. Yet they stay and fight with their fleet. They'll bear the brunt of insults from tools like yourself, they'll keep putting their assets right in the middle of the fight. They'll show up, they'll fight, some will die, some will not. Pets? No, they're members of the fleet, just as important as the sniper sitting 150km+ from the gate, just as important as the hauler pilot sitting in the POS with extra ammo.
The disrespect you show the enemy fleets support speaks volumes about how much you really value your own.
You've got nothing on these pilots Butter Dog and you never will.
I'm not calling support ships 'meatshields'. I'm calling CVA pet alliances 'meatshields', and demonstrated how CVA use them as such, to great personal cost to many young pilots in Providence.
A distinct difference, but one you clearly do not understand, since based on your post I can tell you have zero skill or knowledge when it comes to PvP.
How many large gangs or fleets have you FC'd? I suspect the answer is zero, so allow me to explain a few basic facts.
Sniper groups NEED good support to function well. That comes in the form of dictors, EWAR, and point defence. However...
PVE fitted drakes and ravens, piloted by newer players with no understanding of how to operate in PVP are a liablity - not effective support. I would never fly with such pilots, I'd rather they left their ships at home because they are nothing more than a liability.
The CVA know this too, but they encourage their meatshield alliances to turn up in numbers. Why? Well, mostly its a delaying tactic - if hostile gangs are shooting the PvE fitted drakes and ravens blobbed onto a gate, they are not shooting CVA. It serves them well, but 'support' they are not. 'Cannon fodder' would be a more accurate term.
What CVA do in these instances, rather than having effective support in the form of specialised support pilots, is invite their meatshield alliances along to play 'blob'. I've witnessed first hand countless engagements where CVA's pets have suffered horrendous losses, whilst CVA themselves get out with minimal losses. This enables CVA to claim a 'killboard victory' but at terrible cost to their meatshields.
Well done CVA. Nice tactic. But that isnt effective use of support (and please, stop trying to convince the world that PvE fitted drakes and ravens are anything other than cannon fodder, because effective support ships they are not).
What it is, is excellent use of CVA's mainly industrial meatshield alliances. CVA are singlehandedly responsible for the destruction of hundreds of their pet alliances ships.
But you just go on convincing yourself that drakes and ravens piloted by people who have zero idea how to fit or fly in PvP are 'effective support', if it makes you feel better.
The rest of us can sit back and chuckle.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'.
Oh, Hardin. Ever the master of comedic spin. Being told that the CVA have no pets is akin to the Pope distancing himself from the Catholic church.
You impose all manner of rules on your pet alliances, including coercing them into following your standings list. Many of the entities who operate in Providence shoot CVA for very specific reasons, none of them to do with piracy.
But you label these factions as pirates, because it suits you to do so, as you can then rope in your meatshields when it suits you.
Originally by: Hardin
I am sure many of the neutrals that live in our area would actually prefer if CVA involved them more...
We don't use anyone as 'meatshields'. Anyone involved in one of our operations knows exactly what they are getting into and their role in the fleet.
Yes sometimes 'neutrals' are used as bait primarily because YOU and many of the other raiders in Providence run a mile at the merest sniff of a CVA ship because you know we are gonna kick your arse.
Just last week we had some HUGE fights with Cruel Intentions in R3.
(A slight digression - Cruel Intentions is an alliance that I respect. They really bring it. They know what they are doing and they are not afraid to fight outnumbered - nor do they spend their time smacking on the forums. I would suggest that you - and I mean you in particular (not BUM as a whole because I actually like many BUM pilots) - should take some lessons from them because constant forum smack unsupported by ingame action really looks pitiful.
Interesting that you deride me for forum smacking then deliver a masterclass. Well done.
Our alliance of 150 cannot go toe-to-toe with CVA. We know that and so do you. But we can, and do, go toe-to-toe with other alliances many times our size, even when they work collabaratively. A highlight for me was an excellent 70 v 10 fight against UCE/Sylph in which we came out on top. Our campaigns are specifc, focused, and successful. We understand our capabilities and CI are certainly more numerous and capable than ourselves.
I'm sure it irritates you greatly that we don't fall for your amateur attempts at baiting our capitals into a trap, but the CVA are far too predictable for their own good when it comes to these matters. We're not here for your amusement, you are not our target.
As far as our effectiveness in Providence goes, our Providence Must Burn campaign is visible on our public killboard, and you can judge for yourself how successful we are being at making a mockery of your claim to have 'secured' the region.
Originally by: Hardin
Your clear attempt to try and divide CVA from its friends in Providence is transparent and demonstrates your lack of ability to damage CVA in any other way...
Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts.
It seems the only person without a grip on the facts here is yourself. We've set ourselves very clear objectives, and we are having fun realising them.
We're not in Providence to hold space, or to even attempt to match your blob sizes (which is frankly impossible for us). So we adapt our tactics and our targets accordingly. The results speak for themselves.
Originally by: hardin
I know we podded you last week and you are probably a little upset over that but seriously stop with the forum warfare and just bring it.
We are waiting!
Ahh, you must be referring to the T1 fitted rifter of mine you popped. A cruel blow. I believe we visited 9uy later that day to exact revenge :)
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
I love being accused of spin by someone who's sole occupation seems to be forum whoring.
Butterdog I am not going to go through your post line by line and ONCE AGAIN point out all the inaccuracies and nonsense.
By all means continue to spout your drivel about CVA and all the other good people who live in Providence because, when all is said and done, your linguistic flatulence on these forums amounts to nothing.
When you finally pose a serious threat in space (and by threat I mean something other than the occasional raiding party) then I may take you a little more seriously because as it stands all you are is an amusing distraction from my work 
Seriously I know you have to make BUM look good on the forums - recruiting is never easy - and who knows you may even fool a few people into believing you and joining the anti-CVA crusade, but in the end actions speak louder than words...
As I said in the top post just bring it. Stop with the forum whoring and excuses and show us what you are made of.
By all means continue to pen your cloud cuckoo land hypotheses and misguided analysis about why CVA are such bad guys and continue to amuse us all...
While you are doing that CVA will continue its holy work to secure Providence on behalf of the Amarr Empire (and all law-abiding neutrals)...
I will leave you to it
Hardin, those who know me know that I dont really take these forums seriously. It is a bit of fun. Don't get too wound up about it.
Of course, there is spin on both sides and my occasional forum posts on Providence-related matters is bound to antagonise. Thats quite intentional. But you can hardly claim I'm not active in-game. Thats quite obviously a lie. My 3-ish posts a day on the forums hardly detract from that, and anyway like you I'm bored at work 
There are arguements on both sides, no-one can claim 'the truth' only their perception of the situation.
You are either very ignorant about our little alliance (which is fine, as you say we don't matter in the wider scheme of your goals), or you are deliberately being misguided in a smear attempt when you say things like 'when you are a real threat' or 'when you finally bring it'.
I don't know how many times we have to spell it out to you, but we're simply not interested in territorial conquest or attempting to go fleet-to-fleet against CVA. We don't have your numbers so we adapt accordingly.
We're a small but pretty capable group of close-knit players. We have fun. We can and do accomplish goals against much larger entities, but we're aware of our limitations.
You complain we don't 'bring it' to CVA, but whenever you bring it to us its generally in the form of a blob which outnumbers us 3 or 4 to 1. If you were genuinely interested in fights that would not happen, we're not stupid, but I understand why it does and I don't blame you for it.
You can't compare us to CI who have double our numbers and three times the capitals. We can only dream of putting together the kind of gang they jumped in g-5 that evening. But thats fine, we know ourselves. We may not be taking your stations from you, but ask the average UCE or Slammers member how the last few weeks have been for them.
We don't need CVA's permission or approval to have fun in Providence, no matter how much you'd like us to seek it.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:41:00 -
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I think in addition to that, I would say to Hardin that none of this is 'new information'.
We've consistently and clearly stated that CVA are not our targets in Providence. We've never claimed to be an equal in terms of numbers, though we believe we're equally as capable when the numbers are anything like even.
CVA's assertion is that Providence is a secure place for 'law abiding' pet alliances to do business. Our assertion is that it is anything but, and we prove it on a daily basis. Ask UCE why they are tearing down their POS chains and leaving for Empire in their droves.
Yes, we fought you V's Ushra'khan and we'll always be red to each other (I imagine), but we have no desire to hold space and we're not attached to Providnce in the way that CVA is.
As I say, we don't have a grand strategic plan to control Providence. In fact we're nomadic and will liekly be moving on sooner or later, but in the meantime we're having fun and achieving our goals. To us, thats all that matters.
Don't judge us by your own standards, we're very different entities.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:21:00 -
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Lowan, I would agree that the comment about blobbing in that case would not be fair or accurate. Nice use of the logistics platform in that fight and good to see :)
As you identified though, CVA have a reputation for blobbing. That has been built through consistent experience. Maybe you're trying to change your ways but one fight does not change your pattern of behaviour.
You shouldn't be too suprised to be stuck with the label for some time, unless there is consistent evidence to the contrary.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.
Wrong.
Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies.
We've been VERY successful.
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Butter Dog
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Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Hardin
Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.
Wrong.
Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies.
We've been VERY successful.
Originally by: Sapphrine
Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics.
'Can most certainly' ... its a hypothetical. As we've confirmed to you, and you know yourself, CVA are not our targets.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
If you want to blame your lack of results against us on a 'CVA blob' then please do so, it is a useful excuse.
Lack of results? Thats a good one. I see rather pleasing results myself.
You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
This thread needs more me 
Very true
I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up
/emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest
Oh, forgot about that!
Yes I'll be there. I may even buy you a drink 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Garreck
Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2007 15:13:41
Originally by: Butter Dog
You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special.
Ratings which are a bit skewed based on BUM's involvement in a massive coallition to prevent CVA from taking 9uy...a coallition that included the likes of TOXIN and The Establishment...a coallition that packed a titan and multiple motherships.
And a coallition that ultimately failed to hold the system, though they cost us several capital ships, giving BUM a nice ratio against the CVA.
Which is why "efficiency rating" has never rated quite so high on CVA priorities as "results."
We had the majority of capitals present in system, toxin wasnt around for many of the fights, ev0ke wasnt around for many of the fights.
We are small True, but we pack a punch for a our size alot of medium size alliances cant match
I'd also add that our KB includes their participations too. If there is so much as a CVA pod on a killmail, that counts as a kill for them. So no excuses about participations please :)
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
I'm keeping this simple for you Butterdog.
I am a neutral. I live in Providence. I like to fight. I like to do this alone mostly, but sometimes I like to do this with friends. I like explosions. I have seen many explosions. My enemies sometimes explode. I sometimes explode. My friends sometimes explode. I like CVA because they help me make my enemies explode.
I like Cruel Intentions being in Providence. They are fun to fight. No smacktalk. Even on the forums. They use a variety of tactics. Not just cloakers and nanoships. But also a lot of cloakers and nanoships. Well set up ships. Great for those like me who want to PVP. Great fun making them explode.
CVA are not my masters. I explode things freely of my own will. I set people that attack neutrals to red. I make red things explode. You are a red thing. I've not made you explode. You once made me explode in Sylph space. You never come to upper providence. You spend too long in Catch. In Catch you find a safe spot and write on the forums. On the forums you disrespect people calling them CVA pets and meatshields. I wish you would come to upper providence. We could make more explosions. You dont come to upper providence though. You are scared your ships will explode. You prefer to sit in safespot letting Cruel Intentions to help make explosions. I respect Cruel Intentions. I do not respect you.
Simple.
Let me tell you what is even more simple.
If we're not based in upper eastern providence, and you are, then you are unlikely to run into us. We rarely go near Misaba. If thats where you're based, then no, you won't see us very much, if at all.
But then neither can you judge our effectiveness... which makes your opinion somewhat invalid really. And your post verging on pointless. Its a bit like me telling Rule of Three I have no respect for them since I never see them fight... it makes no sense as I'm not based near them. Providence is a big region and Misaba quite a journey from where we operate.
We've had specific targets, and specifc goals. We've been successful in our goals. We've had fun. Thats all that counts. We know we're good at what we choose to do, we don't need your approval and neither do we seek it.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Well bum is takeing a day off doing some team building ruing level 4 missions, plans also includ spider reping kestrells doing level 5 missions later maybe 
To be fair, we did attempt to find our oh-so-elusive wartargets... which led us to the mission areas... 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.13 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Nobody is ever required to do anything for the CVA...but if they are going to shoot, they're asked to not shoot neutrals.
And how would you know who they have set red or otherwise?
Or are CVA repsonsible for setting their pet alliances standing lists? Are they submitted to you for approval?
It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Butter Dog
It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA.
In essence, you're right on the money, though you say it like it's a bad thing (understandable, as you've plenty of reason to dislike the CVA.)
Understand, of course, that the standings we set are based upon a) our roleplay (which we have never asked any of our neutrals to support...support has been volunteered) and b) acts of piracy. So, in essence, our kill list is less a demand and more a service: if you see a CVA red in Providence, get safe or get friends because you're about to get dead.
The alternative, of course, is NBSI...where we randomly shoot anyone we please if positive standings are not set. This is not the way CVA choose to operate.
Instead, we run constant patrols providing tactical protection to neutrals in Providence, and we spend large sums of isk to build useable infrastructure for neutral parties in what is supposed to be a dead region. In return for our efforts in our space...all we ask is that if people want shooty in Providence, they shoot known badguys.
Predictably, our enemies try to make this sound like some sort of oppressive regime. In an out of character forum, which is a bit bizarre. And they say the roleplayers take things too seriously...
Okay, so I am curious.
What if an entity hostile to CVA wishes to focus only on the CVA. They therefore set CVA red, and operate strict NRDS in Providence.
What would CVA's stance on this be? Would they spare their pets from bloodshed or insist on a standings match?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 11:44:21
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Skarvl Mandoo
Butter Dog still seems to be bitter from the beatdown CVA dropped on ISS back in the day. What was it? 40-1 kill ratio? CVA are still playing the game with some honor. Ex-ISS should take a page from their book.
btw, the Harry Potter themed sigs are lame 
This is my main.
Oh shnap. That's cold.
\o/ Forum pvp
I find it amusing that people think I/we care about ISS. Maybe they don't recall the circumstances under which I left
(just for info, ISS are perma -10 to us)
Hardin - thanks for your explination of the above point, a forum tussle with you is always good fun. Look forward to meeting you on Saturday
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P
I have a rule at these things: as little Eve-talk as possible!
Remember I live in London, I don't need it getting out that I'm a secret internet spaceship geek
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: DenverThe LastDinosaur
Are you speaking about ex ISS in cloaked ceptors ganking noobs in the pipes?
Heh, do we do that too?
*makes notes*
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 15:43:56
Originally by: Elendar
Originally by: Butter Dog
Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:
* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves
And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.
What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be
You might want to check our KB before accusing us of failing, Ms Troll. Btw, nice to see BoB giving you permission to post... how are you finding life as a pet now the tide is turning in the other direction?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Elendar
You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad.
Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm
Kicked, thats a funny one
I stormed out in a blaze of 'glory' and burnt down all my bridges - there is a difference you know!
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.14 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
3 Slammer's Republic Carriers
Orly?
Well that wont defeat them!
Lilan Kahn > O/
Lilan Kahn > got a new carrier?
Alois Hammer > o/
Alois Hammer > yep
Alois Hammer > my attle one
Alois Hammer > battle
Alois Hammer > the first 2 were transport carriers
Note: thats 'transport carriers' fitted with a full rack of PDU's in the lows and a non-capital shield tank...
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Posted - 2007.08.14 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio
Did BUM just find an abandoned Thanatos in a trash bin? I heard it through the g*****vine.
I can confirm that during a routine collection round in Providence, a Thanatos was liberated from UCE.
It was, remarkably, left unpiloted outside a POS shield.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.15 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: kincajou niten
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. Ah well, I'm sure they had your best interest in mind in doing so...
There is no such thing as distance with correct sov and some cool toys after RevII ;-)
Which begs the question what you are all doing in 9UY when CI are >>>>> that way
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/08/2007 16:01:52
You guys are funny. You come on here spitting fire then claim I'm the one smacking. Try reading your own posts, compare them to mine, and tell me who is smacking who here
We love the fact you're so wound up about it all. We're in Providence, having lots of fun at your pet alliances expense, and there is precisely nothing CVA can do about it.
Sure, you send the odd blob in our direction, which we duly avoid, and then the fun resumes.
We're having a party... and CVA arent invited, sorry
PS - we play EVE to have fun, not to 'be credible', whatever that means - sorry you don't understand that but hey its an internet spaceship game and we enjoy playing it
Also I love the way you compare us to CI... yeah cos comparing an entity which is targetting you to someone who *is not* is a really valid comparison... well done
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
You didn't expect us to come and just die against your blobs now did you?
Er, yes.
Thats why they sent 60 people in EX that evening, and expected us to jump our carriers on top of them.
Even without the 'suprise' 7 CVA carriers in a safe pos a few jumps away, that would have been pretty suicidal.
But HOW DARE YOU not order the suicide of our ships against their blobs! Its just not credible!
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.15 17:41:00 -
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Well if CVA hate the forums so much they could just let us spout our 'nonsense' as you call it (some might use the phrase 'uncomfortable truth') and leave it well alone, but oh no. You wade in with plenty of baseless accusations of your own.
'You only use nano-gangs'
No, we use frontline carriers, we destroy POS with dreads, we run heavy BS gangs, AND we run speed-based gangs... it all depends on what we're in the mood for, and what we expect to encounter.
'CI have destroyed more CVA ISK than you have'
We're not targetting CVA, and CI are a much larger force than us, but we have a perfectly respectable performance against you nonetheless.
'You can't handle larger alliances, you make no difference in Providence'
Every alliance in Providence of any note is at least twice our size. We've fought three of those alliances combined (1200 v 140) for a long time and we nearly always come out on top. We've already forced UCE to tear down their POS chains and flee to Empire. Slammers are falling to pieces. Frankly we're starting to run out of targets and our objectives are being ticked off faster than our logisitics can get us relocated to the next target.
'Butter Dog is a smacktard and talks ****, and we hate you'
Can't argue with that one
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.15 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Our responsibility is to protect our space but as multiple BUM have established...you have no interest in coming to our space.
So CVA don't claim the whole of Providence then, just the bit near Misaba?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
I don't have to work terribly hard to establish that you don't venture much into CVA claimed space, though, because you and yours have been yelling it pretty loudly in this thread for a few pages.
We havent said that at all.
We've said we're not targetting CVA, but we operate in Providence every day blowing up your pets and making a mockery of your claim to have secured the region.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.16 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey
Originally by: Solusar
I suppose that is down to the standing orders in BUM not to engage CVA.
We have? 
Wow, it's not mentioned anywhere on our forums. Or in Alliance mail. You must have amazing spies to know a standing order that we don't have!
come to think of it, do we have *any* standing orders?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2007.08.19 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alois Hammer
Ahhh..i love reading the stuff that comes out of BUM"s.............
You know what I like even more? The stuff that comes out of yours;
[ 2007.08.06 05:49:17 ] Alois Hammer > issis bum purse
[ 2007.08.06 05:49:33 ] Alois Hammer > and the fact uk is supporting you speaks volume
[ 2007.08.06 05:49:46 ] Alois Hammer > so first were gonna kick your paymasters
[ 2007.08.06 05:49:48 ] Alois Hammer > then you
[ 2007.08.06 05:50:08 ] Alois Hammer > im done taliking
[ 2007.08.06 05:50:13 ] Tammahawk > me 2
[ 2007.08.06 05:50:13 ] Alois Hammer > o7
And kicked us you have. Your results against us have been nothing short of astonishing.
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